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New Community Project #3
Posted on October 23, 2009 at 16:58
So I'm getting over bronchitis pretty easily. Yay antibiotics! I also got paid today for working on websites. YAY $150 FOR DOING NOTHING DIFFERENT!
Anyway, onto the real subject matter. ![]() If you notice that it looks somewhat different from the last design. The reason is because I was bored and coded the entire site last night. That's right, that is all HTML and working 100% in every browser. I didn't do anything else besides the HTML so that's why the navbar arrow isn't shown, that needs JS. Problems: -Needs a name -Needs a logo -Main nav needs to be smaller, any suggestions for better categorizing? Please post any suggestions to anything in here. After that I will start coding the other parts.
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I think you should merge Music and graphics into 'Art'. Imo examples doesn't deserve a whole category, it could be a subcategory of each main group. Web Dev, hmm, I'm not so sure of what would someone submit there?
This way you could reduce the main categories into 'Art', 'Games', 'Apps' and 'Web Dev'. However, I still can't make up my mind of whether to merge Games and Apps together, after all, games are technically applications. Thne it would be easy to subcategorize each, anyways, imo the nav bar doesn't need to be too specific. For example, instead of showing 'Action', show 'Genres', and so on. If you try to be too specific with the nav bar, it will always look overloaded thanks to the large scope of the website. I don't like that blue either. Make the darker blue a little darker and change the font color there to something lighter. Make the light blue background a little lighter and make the text darker. If you can't make it right, just take a look at other websites that use blue as their main theme (Facebook, Many IPB boards, etc) I feel a like awkward telling all this to someone who actually works making websites :P Finally, let me say I like your idea for a new community :)
I was thinking that examples would just be examples of each category. Although it could go the other way and get rid of the Examples main nav and put it under the sub nav of each topic.
What would people put into web dev? Maybe templates they've made, javascript stuff, etc. Quote after all, games are technically applications. True. And I'm not sure that many apps would be posted. That category just may be removed in the future. Quote I feel a like awkward telling all this to someone who actually works making websites :P Haha don't worry about it. Everyone sees things that others don't. Quote I have a suggestion. How about this structure: -- Developers: - Games - Apps - Tutorials/Examples -- Artists: - Art - Tutorials -- Musicians: - Music - Sound - Tutorials I like that, but I'd like to show sub categories for each other the developer categories. With games I'd like to show different genres so people can find what they like, things like that. Quote With games I'd like to show different genres so people can find what they like, things like that. So... Developers: -- Artists: -- Musicians: Maybe a bit too much nesting? Also, are you doing this alone or not, because it seems hell of a lot work. Quote So... Developers: # Games (genres: action, adventure, rpg, arcade...) # Apps (genres: none, or perhaps graphical, network, or w/e) # Tutorials/Examples -- Artists: # Art (categories: digital art, traditional art, but not too deep like deviantart does) # Tutorials -- Musicians: # Music (genres: rock, pop, electronic, reggae, etc...) # Sound (categories: ambient, machinery, electronic etc...) # Tutorials Something like that could work, yeah. What I've done until now is all my own work. There are people who are willing to help me and I will use them at the next step.
It's not the colour, it's the layout that looks 'not right'.
I made a mockup today. http://64digits.com/users/sir%20Xemic/website.png It's a bit small, but that can be fixed.
You can do a navbar arrow without JS. Web Dev and Apps could be combined into Code or Apps.
Maybe this: Home, Games, Apps, Graphics, Music, Forums with the sub-nav sometimes containing Examples. New and Top-Rated could possibly be sorting options rather than nav options to keep things consistent (genres + examples would go in the games sub-nav for example). Each section should have a front page somewhat like the mockup you have there, with the newest and top-rated stuff showcased. The main site frontpage could have blogs, top-rated stuff from several categories, news, alerts (PM's and followed threads, etc.). Quote There alot of users who just want to upload their stuff on a site where it will get seen and/or played. As well as developers/artists/whatever, it's got to attract a wider audience as well - non-developers, people who come simply to see and play. That's what my site is doing...the games are on the font page. Quote The front page is there to appeal to that average joe user, looking all shiny and such, and having examples, unfinished bits of code for demonstration purposes, is a sure fire way of ruining that. Any experienced member is going to know where the examples are anyway (Perhaps in a sub-category of games or the forums). This site is supposed to appeal to the developer, along with any random person who wants to play a game, which is exactly what 64D does.
Yeh, but the developer doesn't need to be appealed to... you don't write the blurb for someone who's already read the book. Damn, I can't think of any more analogies to explain what I mean.
Look at yoyogames or newgrounds. Both have massive developing communities, who use the websites in lots of ways to learn, help, receive feedback and get an audience. But the front page is there to look nice to the majority of visitors who don't care about the development process, exactly why they don't present WIPs or examples on the front page. Yes, it should be linked on the front page for ease of use, I just find it's given too much priority in a potentially multi-talented community. 64d appeals only to game makers, and even it has more emphasis on finished games over examples. And let's face it, it's not particularly popular anymore, so relying on that formula probably isn't the way to go. Sorry for going on about it so much. I guess it's whatever everyone else thinks.
Maybe I'm not getting my point across.
I had an idea for a site for developers, for developers to find new techniques and learn new things. Kind of like w3schools, MSDN, tut networks. I didn't want to create a site like newgrounds where the majority of the site's users aren't developers, but people who just go there to play games. I want developers to see what other developers are doing and thinking and learn from each other.
It would be nice, I agree. Maybe when the site actually gets going, it could be kind of split. Are you a developer? Go here, it has lots of examples to teach you. Not a developer? Go here, here's a bunch of things that the developers have made that may be fun/useful.
The idea behind this type of site is this: there isn't a place(as far as I know) where developers can make examples or games and have fun with the community; this site used be like that. Newgrounds is oriented towards gamers(to me it seems), while tutorial sites(like the ones I mentioned above) are oriented towards learning, but not having fun. My goal is to combine them.
I like this idea though because I am a developer and a lot of times I have questions about things I don't know. This new community will be more centered on developers so that people can help other people out. And while MOST sites are just plain forums or sites with posted questions, this site would allow you to submit content and look at content from other people. (and also free)
And in turn, you can get help/examples from others and maybe advertise you stuff as well. Here, it is still centered on game maker(even with the added extentions), and blogs. I like 64 digits, but it would be nice to have a site with more general focus on development. ;) |








The blue looks a bit too... sickly, for want of a better word for describing it.