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Posted on November 15, 2011 at 03:01



Fuck the police.

This is why we don't have nice things. Or, sure, we do, but do you think they just handed the nice things out? No, 20th century socialist, trade unionist, and civil rights agitators fought for that shit. We've got them to thank for not being a third world country (at least not for at least another decade) and the right to stage this revolt in the first place. Unfortunately I'm unable to add to Oakland or New York's critical mass, but fuck that, those who have been and continue to be doing so, they're on the front line against this thing, and this better fucking not be end of it, god fuck it, the world deserves better.

Good night.


Teenage angst much?
Posted by Rob November 15, 2011 3:12 - 2.4 years ago
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When the police are tear gassing, using sound cannons, and being generally hostile to otherwise peaceful protests, it's not really angst no matter what the protesters are protesting - the reaction is unacceptable.
Posted by PY November 15, 2011 5:07 - 2.4 years ago
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When the police are tear gassing, using sound cannons, and being generally hostile to otherwise peaceful protests, it's not really angst no matter what the protesters are protesting - the reaction is unacceptable.

I disagree. I didn't bother to read the articles, and I'm fairly biased against those whiny bitches occupying shit, but I generally side with police, especially when they break out the riot gear. You have people that won't leave, so you have to remove them. For example, I forget which city was being "occupied", but a couple people had overdosed on heroin (one of them had died, the other was able to get help from emergency services), so the city decided they had had enough. (It's not just some fat cat mayor saying "oh noes, they'll find out I secretly make millions of dollars, I'd better disperse them before this provokes people into checking my bank")
So then imagine this: they send in a group of police that is generally much smaller than the group of protesters. The police tell the protesters to leave, the protesters stand up in a mob and start shouting at the police, the police repeat themselves, and the mob takes a step forward. The police tell them not to approach, and once again to disperse. The police know that if they lose control of the situation, they are well trained on the consequences of what happens if they themselves get out of hand, they know how to non-lethally subdue an assailant, and so on. They also know the protesters wouldn't give a fuck, are generally only armed with things that could be lethal. Pepperspray will bring someone to their knees, but they'll recover - a molotov cocktail will cause serious bodily damage. That was kind of an overkill example, but a baton to the knee will bring someone down, a board across the back of the neck will kill an officer.
So if you're a cop, flanked with a handful of your fellow officers, looking into the eyes of a mob of several hundred people, saying they won't comply, what do you do? Do you walk right into the crowd and start dragging people out? Fuck no.

Granted, I'm kind of biased on thinking a protest can turn into a riot, because I live in a city that had it happen last year, but this is the kind of bullshit protest that would lead to a riot. New York and Oakland are huge cities, with huge amounts of poverty, and a magnet for out-of-towners, who don't give a fuck about the city, to come join in. On top of that, they've made their shanty towns their "homes", and people are generally protective of their homes.

I don't think that it's unacceptable for police to use crowd control methods to attempt to get people to fuck off in a non-violent way. They're doing what they have to do to make sure people leave safely, without leaving room for people to resist.
If you want to say something is unacceptable, then say something like "it's unacceptable that the city would force these people out" or something.
It's unacceptable that people would bitch about getting hit with tear gas. The police walk up. They announce that you have to leave or they will fire tear gas...If you don't leave, then that's your own dumbass fault.
Posted by firestormx November 15, 2011 9:46 - 2.4 years ago
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@Firestormx: yes if they threaten to use tear gas, they were warned that it would happen.

However, if you always listen to the police and leave every time then nothing will happen because then there is no threat. The police are trying to get rid of the threat by using that. We'll see if that makes a bigger problem or not.

I do side with the people on this one. With how the system works, the only voice the people have are the representatives, and corporations have the other power to influence the government. I think the government needs a little tension to start working a little harder on providing a solution or an explanation.
Posted by Alert Games November 15, 2011 10:27 - 2.4 years ago
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Posted by Kenon November 15, 2011 10:31 - 2.4 years ago
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So turns out they're only temporarily clearing them out. What, to clean it? What about the protesters idea of cleaning it third at a time? I liked that idea, but okay, cops will be cops.
Posted by MMORPGguy November 15, 2011 10:32 - 2.4 years ago
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You'll note I never said I agreed with what they're doing, I don't know anywhere near enough about american politics to state that, but from everything I *have* read and watched, the protests have stayed completely non-violent, with protestors complying with any request which is actually legal. Whether the police like it or not, these people do have a right to protest, and "They won't do as I say" is not a good reason to use weaponry.

Do I know everything about the situation? No, I don't think many do. So we shouldn't brush it off as "whining", or "the police are always right".
Posted by PY November 15, 2011 11:02 - 2.4 years ago
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I just occupied FSX's comment with a +1 because it was right on.
Posted by BP Scraps November 15, 2011 11:19 - 2.4 years ago
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Fuck the police? You are an idiot.
Posted by Toast November 15, 2011 11:35 - 2.4 years ago
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Fuck the police? You are an idiot.

I second this. You know how many std's they probably have gotten from all the prostitutes theyve been with???
Posted by Alert Games November 15, 2011 13:33 - 2.4 years ago
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I honestly don't mind hearing about molotov cocktail users being shot and killed by the police, those things can really fuck you up. I'd encourage the protesters to weed out anybody that makes their cause look bad, specifically the vandals and the people who are doing nothing but getting high in their tents. I'd encourage people to make citizen's arrests on the bad apples that are spoiling the bunch and making the police worry that this could turn into the South Central riots all over again.
Posted by CyrusRoberto November 15, 2011 14:59 - 2.4 years ago
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UPDATE: I knew this was gonna happen at my school sooner or later.

There were tents in the field in front of my school's library. They were there in the morning, but now they've been torn down it seems.

Also, FUCK YEAH 1%
Posted by CyrusRoberto November 18, 2011 22:41 - 2.4 years ago
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When I clicked on this post 2 police officers walked into my house asking for my brother's ID. So I quickly switched tabs :P

But anyway, one of them turned out to have been on the swim team with me like 4 years ago :D yay police! Though I do live in the woods where no one protests.

Getting trampled seems like a bigger danger in mobs than being killed by a police officer who is trying to throw tear gas without it being thrown back and it just happens to hit you in the temple at a high velocity.
Posted by Zac1790 November 19, 2011 1:18 - 2.4 years ago
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Why were they looking for your brother?
Posted by Rob November 19, 2011 1:46 - 2.4 years ago
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Because his brother is an asshole, that's why.
Posted by CyrusRoberto November 19, 2011 1:53 - 2.4 years ago
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nahhh, just because his car alarm was going off in the road and he didn't know how to stop it. Apparently my neighborhood has had illegal activity recently and they're being watchful. *suspiciously looks out window at neighbors house*
Posted by Zac1790 November 19, 2011 11:39 - 2.4 years ago
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@Zac1790: Your suspicion sounds suspicious.
Posted by Alert Games November 19, 2011 14:25 - 2.4 years ago
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it is probably much more terrifying for the police than it is for the rioters :/
Posted by Moikle November 19, 2011 14:48 - 2.4 years ago
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