Pride, Meaning, Loss and Happiness

Posted by RabbidMickeyMouse on March 29, 2008, 12:43 a.m.

"I've read [well known, controversial, your-run-of-the-mill, challenges society kind of book]." a person says during a conversation.

"Oh well, congratulations. Did you enjoy it much?" I ask.

"Yeah, I found that it [goes on describing it as though it more than a book, its a feeling to them. Hand gestures ensue, and if not, words do what they can to substitute]. I enjoyed it very much. Have you read it yourself?"

"I have not."

"Have you read [another similarly well known, challenge to society book]?"

"I haven't read that either."

"Do you read much?"

"No. Not fictional literature at least."

"Why not? You seem like an intelligent person."

"Well, I certainly read a lot of Scientific American, New York Times, and so on. Non-fiction primarily."

"Oh."

"Why do you ask?"

"No reason. Um, do you have any favorite bands? Mine is [esoteric internet band]. I find them [new, strange, intelligent, high-browed, distinct, anything but common-place]. I think you should listen to them, you'd really like them."

"Well, I haven't heard of them myself. I mainly listen to The Beatles, Pink Floyd and The Doors. And Public Access' jazz music."

The other person is excited. They listen to those bands as well. They continue to lead the discussion, talking about interpretations, thoughts of their own, and the like. I decide to entertain them as not to appear rude and at various points present genuine ideas and talking points of my own, as not to force the discussion into awkward silences.

I can relate to most of the people that share similar interests as I do, but I continue to feel separated from them as these interests at the same time. I understand the desire to change, and break free from the perceived constraints of society, your parents, and yourself. But at what point do we finally understand who we are, where we ant to be and what we ant to do?

For many, it seems that they've at one point or another, took radical steps to change themselves or their environment, only to regret the length of time since they felt stable, or regret having changed so much so fast that the only memories they hold best are those with the very influences they rebelled against, and decide to calm down, and grow conservative with their actions. Its not that I have the fear that I'll at one point grow old and bitter, but that I'll miss out on an opportunity to see who I am, what I like, and where I'm going without falling victim to the flowing currents of trends, and the natural tendency to change, perpendicular the influence around us, in an evolutionary sense, and knowing that I'm not changing arbitrarily, but following natural paths of success and peace of mind.

I’ve grown frustrated with feeling smart, if at least being smart compared to those around me, or attempting at being smarter than those who know more than I do. Enjoying something that’s popular isn’t fulfilling enough. I need to know what others don’t. But knowing trivial facts isn’t enough. There needs to be something significant about what you know. Is it art? What about it is there that’s not well known? Subtlety is key.

You get to a point that trying to find the most moving piece of music, film or even videogame becomes your goal (for me at least it seemed). You mock (in your head at least) the intelligence of others, their lack of knowledge, and anything that separates you from them, because to you, you’re better, you’re more refined, dignified, and this is what people are after all along you assume.

Even when it gets to the point I reject emotions, their worth to society, music, the arts, and decide that efficiency is the ultimate goal, if not predictable outcome, as a nihilist, an Atheist, you’re still a rebel, looking for meaning. You’re simply rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic that is the underlying problem to things for you.

I’m depressed most likely. I’ve lost a lot, and its only natural I assume. Death is a complex situation. For some, it’s a sense of loss, not that of weight, but the feeling similar to vacuum pressure acting on its surrounding. There is a demand to fill the void, and one their best over time.

Imagine a painting, and suddenly, and area goes white. Without the aid of additional paint to patch up what’s missing (which otherwise wouldn‘t look the same anyway, as the new paint would be a shade or two different, and you‘ll pinpoint its location as the artist because you know where the patch is, and why its there, regardless of the lack of awareness exhibited in others of the patch), I’m having to use what paint I’ve already used on the painting itself to fill in the area, and as a result, the painting dulls, and looses any crispness.

I have no fears of furthered depression, or any associated risk thereof, but of an increasing apathy. To stand up, and feel no gravity. To see things without any personal significance or meaning. For the environment around me to exist as-is.

Its funny to think that I might be growing increasingly religious, if at least spiritual. If anything, love and happiness are the virtues to life that we need to grow and give. I think I may be tired of pursuing things in life which I think will only give me an advantage which I assume further will make me happy. But in all reality, happiness is easy to find. The difficulty for me is being able to share that happiness. I must learn to be more selfless and committed to the needs of others than deriving happiness from others, assuming they‘ll make up for the loss elsewhere, which seems to be the root to a lot of problems.

It’s getting late. Good night.

Comments

F1ak3r 16 years, 1 month ago

I don't know what to say.

Amarin 16 years, 1 month ago

I'm considered a rebel by lots of people that know me- I'm an extremely liberal deist (with a little bit of atheist in there, considering I don't believe it's possible that whatever God is, is theistic). I hate my country, and see that it needs change.

PY 16 years, 1 month ago

Nor I, you make very good points, that I can easily relate to…

Jabberwock 16 years, 1 month ago

These sound a lot like things I've said before. Especially this part:

Quote:
If anything, love and happiness are the virtues to life that we need to grow and give. I think I may be tired of pursuing things in life which I think will only give me an advantage which I assume further will make me happy. But in all reality, happiness is easy to find. The difficulty for me is being able to share that happiness. I must learn to be more selfless and committed to the needs of others than deriving happiness from others, assuming they‘ll make up for the loss elsewhere, which seems to be the root to a lot of problems.

I think I know how happiness might be achieved, in my own life, at least. If I can get a job that is an outlet for creativity and that is less than soul-crushing, and if I can stick near a few, specific people, then I know I will be happy, because these are the things that make me happy right now. The problem is, life and the universe in general - a universe in which nothing stays the same for more than five minutes - is intent on making these simple things the very most difficult to achieve. The only people I love are spread out all across the map right now, and as I get older I realize more and more how Hurculean, if not utterly impossible, the task of finding a job that I'll really find fulfilling is going to be.

I also agree with what you're saying (at least I think it's what you're saying; if not, it's probably my fault, not yours) about how people like a lot of the art they like - y'know, music, books, etc. - for social reasons, because they feel obligated to like it, rather than just because they are trying to find things that are beautiful. It's annoying. According to my brothers, college campuses is where it's the worst; tons of college kids "like" Radiohead, but most of them like it just because it's what college kids are supposed to like, not because they make good art that is pleasant and meaningful.

I would say I also suffer from depression (I would hesitate to call it either "severe" or "mild", since I don't know other people's cases; all I know is that it makes me feel like crap about 2/3 of the time), yet I am not suicidal. I guess it is because I am utterly terrified of dying.

Purianite - I can't abide it when people say they hate their country (Americans, anyway). Maybe you disapprove of its actions, maybe you don't like some of the things it allows or doesn't allow, but to say you hate it implies that you don't think it has any hope. I think, as bad as it is in many ways, it is still a good place to live. And it could be better if, instead of just talking about how much we hate it, and how much it needs to change, we actually tried to change it.

Sorry, didn't mean to preach there.

Cesque 16 years, 1 month ago

I can relate mainly to the parts regarding an individual's interests and fads - I've noticed that the only real alternative to following commonly accepted cultural trends, to achieve interests and knowledge in areas previopusly untouched, is to achieve them randomly.

An egocentric example: I prefer China Mieville and Dambudzo Marechera to Terry Pratchett. I know more about the culture of Turkmenistan, Papua New-Guinea, Indonesia and Achaemenid Persia than about the culture of Japan. My philosophical views on reality are more inspired by the views of the Piraha tribe than by the Chinese conception of chi or Zen buddhism. I sometimes listen to GusGus, Aphex Twin, Richard Marchand or Infected Mushroom rather than to The Prodigy or some well-known-shitty-Western-techno.

How did I come across the "original", across China Mieville, Turkmenistan, the Piraha or Infected Mushroom?

Randomly. Bits and pieces of information here and there, which I've decided to check, and as a result developed interest or affection to this and that.

There's little free will in this, as we can't really consciously decide what to like. We are not confronted with the entire universe of all possible bands, books and artistic creations and we are not given freedom to objectively pick those we like, according to our unchanging, primal and individualistc nature. We come across some, at some part of life, and for reasons these or other ("hey, that's cool" or "let's conform with the rest") we decide our views, under the subjective influence and the heritage of all factors that changed us throughout our lives.

I guess this is as far as the pursuit of really individualistic views and interests goes.