Catholic and Masturbation

Posted by Chirantha on March 3, 2007, 1 p.m.

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After some events with a person on MSN who didn't masturbate due personal and religious reasons I read up on the catholic and masturbation. It seems that the catholic religion indeed says it’s wrong to masturbate (http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/2964/masturbation2.html). However I feel that statement does not match the current time or the people.

Teenagers going through puberty have the wet dreams (but some many not have a single one at all and still be perfectly ok). Some may get these wet dreams until they die but most of the time they stop at around 17-18. This is because the body starts to control itself and stop producing sperm. Even though most religious people may consider masturbation as a *bad* act. However it seems that not masturbating is a bad act because it could lead to one destroying himself. I do not believe any religion says that a person should knowingly destroy them self’s.

According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erotic_sexual_denial (under Long term denial) it seems modern science has proven that it is a good act and gives protection to things such as prostate cancer. I believe cancer did not exist at the time the rules of the catholic religion was made. (God has given us a brain to think use it! Don’t let God tell you what is wrong and right)

If the argument is pleasuring yourself is selfish look through your past. You could have given that tasty food plate to a hungry beggar. You could have given all your money to poor people and become a beggar but what will happen to your children? In this modern world things don't come for free. We save money for a reason. And just like that people masturbate for a reason(s) such as pleasure and protection from cancer and other prostate related problems. People like to eat testy food because it feels good to eat tasty food and people masturbate because it feels good and protects there body.

Some rules of the catholic religion is far out of date in my point of view. I know a family that got divorced because the guy couldn't have sex (a sexual dysfunction from birth), the guy didn't know it until he attempted it. If he wasn't so religious and checked if he can do it he could have explained to the girl that he can't do it and she probably wouldn't have married him. At the end the girl lost her virginity and had trouble finding another man because of our countries cultural issues.

I do believe no religion would say it’s correct to destroy a girls dream to have kids. We live to full fill our desires actually that’s all we do in life. If there was no desire in a person he would have to die.

I remember that somewhere in the bible it Jesus said to a guy "give all your belongings to the people and join me" even though it was said, no one with the right mind could do that today because there aren’t many jungles or free food to eat. If a guy gave up everything he had and joined the church he would be living off the donations and the money of other people. While he may say god gives me food to eat it is you who many be donating and feeding him. The Fathers enjoy life because they have everything they want because other people are giving the church money and all he has to do is conduct the masses -> helping some people learn religion -> eating -> sleeping. But he is a person that can use his arms and legs to earn and give money to others. Come to think of it being a father is way too much fun lol.

Comments

Amarin 18 years, 11 months ago

I'm agnostic, but I don't seem to get any pleasure out of masturbation.

RhysAndrews 18 years, 11 months ago

Not all teenagers masturbate. 100 years ago it probably rarely happened, because teenagers weren't educated that explicitly. These days, lots of teenagers masturbate but not all of them.

Think of a person born with tourette syndrome. They will swear uncontrollably - sinning just like Masturbating is sinning. They can't help it, but it's still a sin. The problem is, this world is corrupt and nobody's perfect - everyone sins. Masturbating is just one of the many sins that we cannot control. Lustful thoughts? It's a sin, but we can't control it. Actually, Lustful thoughts is a factor of Masturbating, and thus, if Masturbating isn't a sin, the Lustful thoughts included with it is.

I disagree with a lot of Catholic moral ways, but I do agree with their wanking one. I'm not sure of Protestants think the same way.

RhysAndrews 18 years, 11 months ago

Oh let me add, about that "erotic sexual denial" page. Whether that's true or not, something such as Abortion may be healthy for women too, like, if they mistakedly fell pregnant. But that doesn't make it a morally good thing to do. I'd rather be right with God than cancer-free.

-Rhys

sk8m8trix 18 years, 11 months ago

uhuh… when u all die of cancer, you know where to find me… In the bathroom with the door locked

Acid 18 years, 11 months ago

I thought the mods/admins said not to write blogs that have to do with religion that will start arguments. >_>

Anyway, I agree with both of Rhys statements.

@Rhys: Protestants have the same views on masterbation, though we don't believe in a lot of things catholics do. (Such as praying to Mary, calling our pastor "father", and confessing sins to a "father" to obtain forgiveness.)

GearGOD 18 years, 11 months ago

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Not all teenagers masturbate. 100 years ago it probably rarely happened, because teenagers weren't educated that explicitly. These days, lots of teenagers masturbate but not all of them.
Ha.. Haha.. Ahahahaha!

No.

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Oh let me add, about that "erotic sexual denial" page. Whether that's true or not, something such as Abortion may be healthy for women too, like, if they mistakedly fell pregnant. But that doesn't make it a morally good thing to do. I'd rather be right with God than cancer-free.
Abortion can cause permanent damage and have a shitload of complications and involves murder, so I don't know how the hell you're managing to compare it to masturbation which is as natural as breathing, is exhibited by other species, and is only avoided in retardedly religious circles.

GearGOD 18 years, 11 months ago

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Masturbating is just one of the many sins that we cannot control. Lustful thoughts? It's a sin, but we can't control it. Actually, Lustful thoughts is a factor of Masturbating, and thus, if Masturbating isn't a sin, the Lustful thoughts included with it is.
You do realize that if one does not get release one way or another, they'll become sick. The body just doesn't work that way, dipstick.

Chirantha 18 years, 11 months ago

inaddition to that, if you go without masturbating or having wet dreams you might automatically find yourself raping a girl no matter how much you try to control it your mind will take over or like GearGod said the guy could start to be sick.

Masturbation doesn't kill anyone or hurt anyone's virginity. We are humans (a type of animal!) just like every other animal we need sex but since we can't go have sex with someone on the street like dogs do, masturbation is the option left apart from raping someone and destroying there virginity.

firestormx 18 years, 11 months ago

Okay, let me break this down for you as scientific/medicaly as possible.

Wet dreams are, like you said, natural. Do you know why they are natural? They naturally occur so that you CAN NOT DESTROY YOURSELF. There are hundreds of millions of catholics (as well as other religions) who honestly do not masturbate. I just want ONE documented case that proves that someone has "destroyed themselves" due to a…What…Overdose of semen? You basicaly have a tube from your testicles, to your prostate, and blah blah blah. Have you ever tried pouring water through a tube, and putting a piece of paper or something in one end to block the water from escaping? What will happen? The pressure will build, and the paper will pop out, releasing the pressure. Your semen won't leak into your blood stream, reach your brain, and kill you. It will not damage any organ, muscle, bone, etc. And then, of course, your body isn't retarded. If you don't release, then your testosterone will build up to it's peak level (which, btw, literally gives you a larger penis. The first time you whip it out in front of a girl, she'll be like "OMG! *dies*". Actually, she won't, as it's usually only half an inchish, and girls honestly don't even notice penis size, unless it's excesivly large/small) and then your body will realize "hey, I have a lot of this stuff in here, and it's not going away. Maybe I'll just produce less of it, until he gets it goin' again".Masturbation is not done for health reasons, but because of the pleasure chemicals, of which I could write a whole new comment on, but I won't.

You're either going to have to back your first argument up with some proof, explain your point better, or accept that you dont know what you're talking about.

As has already been pointed out, cancer sort of kind of almost has existed for a very long time. Anyway, you do realize that the article that you based your second point on is about ESD, right? Read up a little more on what ESD fully is, and you'll find it isn't the same as not masturbating. I believe this is what you were refering to for your point:

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Most sources seem to agree that the body will spontaneously reabsorb sperm, but that the prostate fluids should be removed fully and regularly, if not through orgasm then via internal prostatic massage (known as "prostatic milking") to reduce the risk of prostate cancer and inflammation, atrophy (orgasm involves the prostate muscles) or tissue damage to the prostate.
Refer back to what I said about how your body naturally clears you out to prevent damage. If you read up some more on what ESD is, you'll figure out why it's considered "dangerous".

Also, don't use wiki, especially one on ESD, to prove points about damage to the body. My first glance through this shows you didn't use ANY informaiton from a gynecologist (assuming one didn't edit the wiki, and that information not get edited again). Honestly, next time you go into a hospital, ask to see a gynecologist, and ask him if not masturbating is likely to actually harm your body. He'll slap you for taking the time out his busy schedule to ask such a retarded question, but I know enough about anatomy, and heard enough stuff from gynecologists (not while directly studying this subject though, mind you) that I know your heatlhy body can't let itself get hurt by this. I mean, if you've got an infection directly in your semen or something, your doctor will likely sugest you masturbate, but how do bad things get introduced into your semen? They can't. Your body produces it, has it sit in…I forget what the organ is called that it's stored in, but it's stored somewhere right-close to the prostate, then it comes out roughly every 10-16 days, and that is that.

So your second argument is pretty much your first argument, just based on a skewed perception of ESD.

Thirdly, there is no religion out there that I know of (but certainly not catholic) that discourages masturbation because it's selfish. Therefore, your third argument is not pertaining to the initial thesis, which was to point out how the catholic rule against masturbation does not "match the current times".

Those people getting divorced because of a dysfuntion FROM BIRTH, and you thinking his only reason for them getting divorced is because of that, is quite messed up. Firstly, if that was truely the only reason they got divorced, then the woman was out to sabatoge it from the begining. You'll have to do quite a bit of research into psychology, addiction, couples psychology, etc, to understand it all, but it's quite clear that that is either not the reason she divorced him, or else she was conciously, or non-concously, attempting to mess up their relationship, for whatever reasons she has.

NOW, on the other foot (foot, as in it's not quite on the other HAND, but it's close, so it's a foot. Damn I'm clever) how many people have told you they have a sexualy transmitted disease? How many people have them, but don't even know? How do you get an STD? Through sex. What do you do when you contract aids, then try find a wife? Or even someone to have sex with you? Of course, if you hadn't had sex, you never would have contracted something like HPV, which you pass on to your wife, and give her CERVICAL CANCER.

And how could that have destroyed her dream to have kids anyway? I mean what the fuck, are you living under a rock? How can you "know" so much about masturbation, yet not know what all those sperm clinics are used for? (besides research)

If you want a baby, you can have a baby. It just won't come from him. she was desperate enough to fulfil your desire, then do it that way. why should the man's desire to be married to that woman suffer? Like I said, that can't be the only reason for her to have ended a marriage she actually wanted to be in.

And in your final paragraph, which is off this topic, that is quoted in the bible to be read as a metaphor. If you were going to take the whole quote seriously, you'd go out and find Jesus to literaly follow him. I'm not going to go into a whole bible-explaining lesson for you, though.

And just for the record, priests can't masturbate nor even have sex. Why do you think it would be fun to "destroy a girls dream to have kids"?

Now then, reasons not to masturbate:

It becomes an addiction. Addiction is defined by the consequences of the action - that is, if you continue to do it despite all the consequences piling up, it means your brain has been rewired in the wrong way. (Again, you'll need psychology to understand this fully) Chronic masturbation is a common way to ruin relationships with your signifigant other and to lose a lot of time. To you, it's probably a "wtf, no, that barely even makes sense", but it's true. Look at amphetamines. Amphetamines keep you up, make you go faster, make you think faster, variations of it, such as methylenedioxymethamphetamine will make you happier, and all that good stuff. So why is it so bad? (Aside from the self destructive part)

The main reason that the government itself has had to set up compulsive sex centers, is because people - particularly men, generally feel they need to be overwhelmed with sexual stimulation to "get off", but as time goes by, you know, naturally they have to have more and more, harder and harder stuff. Obviously just getting into the mentality that something is normal because you've seen it SO MANY TIMES (and by this time you probably don't have much INTIMATE human interaction, because of the porn, which can be explained through the psychology of not just shame and shit, but because the disease (addiction is refered to as a disease by most therapists, rather than a "condition" or something) is in your mind, and it won't let you think rationaly or logicaly) that you will actually go and act out on the stuff you've become so used to.

Obviously the number of people who will act out like this are very low, and often trauma survivors to boot, but it is a VERY bad problem. One of the most popular and accessable examples of this to the general public, would be one of those shows (like on 20/20) where they go into a chat room, pretending to be an underage child, and would attract pretators in, where they would be arrested and what-not. If you watch these things, they just come like crazy. In one of these shows I saw, they had arrested over 30 men IN ONE DAY, all under the impression they would be having sex with a 9 year old boy while his parents weren't home. (Most of them had brought condoms, alcohol, even drugs and rope, so it's pretty hard to deny what they intended to do)

So, you can have sexual compulsion, and you can have crack. I don't have time to go into everything bad about SC, how it comes about, etc, but it generaly starts with some sort of abuse (and you may be surprised by how "loose" the term abused is) or trauma as a child, and is then fueled by pornography, and then the masturbation imprints it all in your brain. (serotonin releases result in highs, and your memory is basicaly imprints of moments near where you were really up, or really down)

And then of course, as a sexually compulsive person, it's not just yourself you can potentialy hurt, but there's yourself too. Obviously having sex with many many people, experimenting with your own limits, getting arested for child porn…

Now obviously masturbation doesn't equal sexual compulsivness, but it is generally what leads people to it. I described some pretty severe results of SC, but there are much lesser consequences that are quite horrlbe too. And don't think of this as "well, it's just a few fucked up people", there hundreds upon hundreds of millions of people with this disorder. There are more "sex adicts" than there are pot addicts.

btw, yes, Sexual Compulsion/Sexual Addiction is the proper term for "nymphomania"…Sort of. There is no such thing as nymphomania as far as social science is concerned

Wow, I think this comment is longer than your blog. I've spent too much time on this, and you're not going to listen to the "lesser" reasons against masturbation, much like you've likely blown off the whole SC, STD, pregnancy, and every other reason against masturbation/sex.

Just as a side-note, Catholics (and most other religions who discourage this) don't allow masturbation, (before people were even able to make the connection between all that bad stuff and masturbation, porn, sexual abuse, etc) because it is considered a form of cheating on a spouse, which no matter what your religion, is considered a bad thing for the relationship, unless, again, you're sexually compulsive and either cheat on her, or even worse, start engaging in threesomes, being a swinger couple, etc. There is no way for a _serious_ relationship to survive that, and I am serious. If you don't care about the relationship, and you're all just in it for the sex, wtf, have fun, if not, do just a tiny bit of research on what psychologists and relationship specialists say about it. No matter how wiling, communicative, or understanding you two are, it'll fall apart.

Back on topic, in order to masturbate, males generally need visual stimulation to keep going (which is unlike most girls, but that's beside the point), and even just thinking of a woman in that way, is (as far as god AND psychology cares) like having sex with her.

It sounds worse than it really is.

ANYWAY, there is no reason to masturbate, in much the same way there's no reason to use ecstasy. You do it for self-gratification (and on webcam for random pedophiles on the internet), and much like the people who don't use ecstasy want to keep their body from DYING, God doesn't want our minds to get fucked over, as social science is quickly proving it does.

Chirantha 18 years, 11 months ago

Come to think of it. May be the guy who made the rules of the catholic religion didn't like the sight of the white stuff and considered it disgusting. So via a religion he made the people not do it.

If the problem is doing it everywhere then lol we have a law not too. Then the problem is over doing it? Well the body will automatically make a bad feeling (pains and such) if you do it too much. Seriously, religion shouldn't go into sexual things and try to control it. We are humans! we need sex. No matter how much you deny it today you WILL have to accept that "humans need sex" one day.

If you don't understand why humans would need sex and you are over 15 then I surggest you contact a doctor O_O