Catholic and Masturbation

Posted by Chirantha on March 3, 2007, 1 p.m.

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After some events with a person on MSN who didn't masturbate due personal and religious reasons I read up on the catholic and masturbation. It seems that the catholic religion indeed says it’s wrong to masturbate (http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/2964/masturbation2.html). However I feel that statement does not match the current time or the people.

Teenagers going through puberty have the wet dreams (but some many not have a single one at all and still be perfectly ok). Some may get these wet dreams until they die but most of the time they stop at around 17-18. This is because the body starts to control itself and stop producing sperm. Even though most religious people may consider masturbation as a *bad* act. However it seems that not masturbating is a bad act because it could lead to one destroying himself. I do not believe any religion says that a person should knowingly destroy them self’s.

According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erotic_sexual_denial (under Long term denial) it seems modern science has proven that it is a good act and gives protection to things such as prostate cancer. I believe cancer did not exist at the time the rules of the catholic religion was made. (God has given us a brain to think use it! Don’t let God tell you what is wrong and right)

If the argument is pleasuring yourself is selfish look through your past. You could have given that tasty food plate to a hungry beggar. You could have given all your money to poor people and become a beggar but what will happen to your children? In this modern world things don't come for free. We save money for a reason. And just like that people masturbate for a reason(s) such as pleasure and protection from cancer and other prostate related problems. People like to eat testy food because it feels good to eat tasty food and people masturbate because it feels good and protects there body.

Some rules of the catholic religion is far out of date in my point of view. I know a family that got divorced because the guy couldn't have sex (a sexual dysfunction from birth), the guy didn't know it until he attempted it. If he wasn't so religious and checked if he can do it he could have explained to the girl that he can't do it and she probably wouldn't have married him. At the end the girl lost her virginity and had trouble finding another man because of our countries cultural issues.

I do believe no religion would say it’s correct to destroy a girls dream to have kids. We live to full fill our desires actually that’s all we do in life. If there was no desire in a person he would have to die.

I remember that somewhere in the bible it Jesus said to a guy "give all your belongings to the people and join me" even though it was said, no one with the right mind could do that today because there aren’t many jungles or free food to eat. If a guy gave up everything he had and joined the church he would be living off the donations and the money of other people. While he may say god gives me food to eat it is you who many be donating and feeding him. The Fathers enjoy life because they have everything they want because other people are giving the church money and all he has to do is conduct the masses -> helping some people learn religion -> eating -> sleeping. But he is a person that can use his arms and legs to earn and give money to others. Come to think of it being a father is way too much fun lol.

Comments

firestormx 18 years, 11 months ago

Okay, a lot of people posted while I was writing that comment.

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Scott_AW, there won't be a point in complety stopping it because the person could lose his sexual organs or his life because of prostate cancer. And if people go crazy let them! it won't hurt you but cancer will ;-)
Do you know how you develop prostate cancer? That's like saying you'll develop bloodclots because the blood is touching your veins.

It WILL hurt you if you go crazy. omfg, even though I just typed out a whole comment for you, it still pisses me off how ignorant people are of anatomy and psychology.

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You do realize that if one does not get release one way or another, they'll become sick. The body just doesn't work that way, dipstick.
It is released, via what people refer to as wet dreams. Keep in mind that ejactulation is not orgasm. Your body will force it out, no matter what, your body is fairly good at getting unwanted things out of it.

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inaddition to that, if you go without masturbating or having wet dreams you might automatically find yourself raping a girl no matter how much you try to control it your mind will take over or like GearGod said the guy could start to be sick.
Explain how you're going to start raping a girl in your sleep from not masturbating. You CAN do everything in your sleep that you can do while awake, however, much of it you have to at least envision it, and have it engraved in your mind, for example watching lots of porn. How many people do you know that have gone out in their sleep and murdered their boss in a fashion that they've envisioned in their mind countless times before? Now try and compare that to someone who - if they are able to keep from masturbating - has likely learned how to keep their mind "clean", and generaly has no urge to even do that. And no, you can't say "but it's human nature", "it's natural urges", "the body will make you do it no matter what", blah blah blah. Like I, and every single doctor out there will tell you, it releases naturally in your sleep, and your hormones are not likely to drive you to do anything you don't actually want to do.

Some people make a big deal about how the US government is pushing ot make it manditory for 12 year old girls to get an HPV vacine, and you all make fun of certain groups who say "no, that will give them incentive to go out and have sex". BUT LOOK AT WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO SAY! Not masturbating won't make you go out and rape someone. Letting your body work ON IT'S OWN, THE WAY IT WAS DESIGNED TO WORK, will give you cancer. If your body is flawed, you will be able to find out about it before marriage, and then just never marry in your life.

This is as bad as the things people are saying about GM7 and YYG.

GearGOD 18 years, 11 months ago

firestormx:

You seem to build a very strong link between masturbation and sexual addiction. Lets face it - there isn't one. 70-90% (I don't remember numbers, so I'll leave a big gap) of the world's population masturbates, so we should be expecting all men to be raping everything in their paths if we take what you write to word. That obviously isn't the case. What you missed is the far more important mental link. Not having a healthy sexual outlet, for example. Parents who tell kids not to masturbate because it is bad and will make them blind, would be one such.

Secondly, all human action is ultimately for self-gratification. There are higher forms such as helping others and lower forms such as getting drunk, but all are really just for making yourself feel good. Hindus place sexuality amongst the higher forms. So do most people not clouded by religions that are full of idiocy. Sex is healthy, sex is good, there is no reason not to enjoy it.

Of course we could go and attack christianity on its own:

"don't allow masturbation, (before people were even able to make the connection between all that bad stuff and masturbation, porn, sexual abuse, etc) because it is considered a form of cheating on a spouse,"

What if it's the spouse masturbating said person? Is it still cheating then? What if said person is away form the spouse? Cyber sex went far here. Still certainly not cheating!

You're also going to have to explain to me why love can only be between two persons and must be so constricting, because I don't see anytithing wrong with threesomes and 'swinger couples'. Those lifestyles on their own don't in any way imply a relationship that is purely sexual. While I don't care much for having more than one partner, I have seen very happy couples that didn't restrict their sexual relationships just to themselves, and I do know that biologically we're designed to fuck as much as we can as fast as we can and having one partner is overriding our biological nature. I also know that about 85% of all marriges are dysfunctional and involve one or both partners cheating - a very good proof of the point above. What moral framework is your idea of a 'proper' relationship built on? Religion is not an axiom, it can't be a logically defendable foundation for a set of morals. You're going to have to come up with a lot more than 'the bible say so'.

Chirantha 18 years, 11 months ago

firestormx, you are saying wiki is wrong. There is nothing wrong with becoming addicted to masturbation because its better than raping someone or becoming gay. People don't need porn to masturbate because urges are there.

Also the girl came to our house and told my mom the reason that she is devorcing him is that.

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Wet dreams are, like you said, natural. Do you know why they are natural? They naturally occur so that you CAN NOT DESTROY YOURSELF.

LOL, are you totally retarded or something? Go through life first lol. Wet Dreams stop at a point in life when the body gets control of things. So the natural way stops. How do I except to answer your questions if you don't understand and read what I said?

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While the Catechism notes that masturbation is "instrinsically and gravely disordered,"

So it does say its weird. Also did you know that other animals sometimes masturbate too? Read up on animal masturbation. We are also a type of animal.

Also have heard of UTI's? Infections can walk into the bladder via the penis (which happened to me a lot of times because of another personal complication of mine). I'm sure a infection CAN reach the epididymis.

RhysAndrews 18 years, 11 months ago

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Secondly, all human action is ultimately for self-gratification. There are higher forms such as helping others and lower forms such as getting drunk, but all are really just for making yourself feel good. Hindus place sexuality amongst the higher forms. So do most people not clouded by religions that are full of idiocy. Sex is healthy, sex is good, there is no reason not to enjoy it.
I'd like to elaborate. Masturbation is the lower form of self-gratification. The worldly, unhealthy form. Just like getting drunk is unhealthy. Sex IS healthy AND good AND there's no reason not to enjoy it - so long as it's not abused and exploited. From a Christian point of view, the higher-forms of self-gratification is in fact gratification for God - helping others is helping God. The lower forms is the greedy, gratification for self - and it isn't healthy - it's a cheap, short-term thrill that leaves you wanting more and more. God wants us to not abuse and exploit the gift of Sex by using it like a drug. It should be used as a rare reward.

-Rhys

GearGOD 18 years, 11 months ago

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LOL, are you totally retarded or something? Go through life first lol. Wet Dreams stop at a point in life when the body gets control of things
I'm 99.9999999999% sure wet dreams occur as needed, based on hormone levels, which fluctuate with sexual frustration which is controlled by intercourse and masturbation, so you can very well have them at any age past puberty should the body need to dump the old stuff.

RhysAndrews 18 years, 11 months ago

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firestormx, you are saying wiki is wrong.
It's open-source, so I'm sure people can make up shit in there. My brother made up a whole town ,gave it a culture, etc, and put it on Wikipedia. It lasted 6 months.

-Rhys

sk8m8trix 18 years, 11 months ago

yep… this blog makes everyone that calls me sick and perverted, a idiot. HAHA when all the nubs die of cancer im going to laugh…

oh and wet dreams ftw >_<!!!

RhysAndrews 18 years, 11 months ago

You would've said that at the time, so I know you're bullshitting. Also, you told me you hadn't done it before. If you wish, I could dig it up, I have a conversation history.

-Rhys

Chirantha 18 years, 11 months ago

GearGod, I asked my doctor (it the family doctor actually) about wet dreams (because I was freaked out to the fact my wet dreams stopped and started freaking about on teenhelp.org as well) and he did say its normal for the body to gain control. Because at a point the body stops over producing.

GearGOD 18 years, 11 months ago

I know I said this many times before but,

You're a moron.