Why Kids Hate Math

Posted by blackhole on Nov. 7, 2011, 5:49 a.m.

Originally posted on my blog.

They're teaching it wrong.

And I don't just mean teaching the concepts incorrectly (although they do plenty of that), I mean they're teaching priorities are completely backwards. Set Theory is really fun. Basic Set Theory can be taught to someone without them needing to know how to add or subtract. We teach kids Venn Diagrams but never teach them all the fun operators that go with them? Why not? You say they won't understand? Bullshit. If we can teach third graders binary, we can teach them set theory. We take forever to get around to teaching algebra to kids, because its considered difficult. If something is a difficult conceptual leap, then you don't want to delay it, you want to introduce the concepts as early as possible. I say start teaching kids algebra once they know basic arithmetic. They don't need to know how to do crazy weird stuff like x * x = x² (they don't even know what ² means), but you can still introduce them to the idea of representing an unknown value with x. Then you can teach them exponentiation and logs and all those other operators first in the context of numbers, and then in the context of unknown variables. Then algebra isn't some scary thing that makes all those people who don't understand math give up, its something you simply grow up with.

In a similar manner, what the hell is with all those trig identities? Nobody memorizes those things! You memorize like, 2 or 3 of them, and almost only ever use sin² + cos² = 1. In a similar fashion, nobody ever uses integral trig identities because if you are using them you should have converted your coordinate system to polar coordinates, and if you can't do that then you can just look them up for crying out loud. Factoring and completing the square can be useful, but forcing students to do these problems over and over when they almost never actually show up in anything other than spoon-fed equations is insane.

Partial Fractions, on the other hand, are awesome and fun and why on earth are they only taught in intermediate calculus?! Kids are ALWAYS trying to pull apart fractions like that, and we always tell them to not do it - why not just teach them the right way to do it? By the time they finally got around to teaching me partial fractions, I was thinking that it would be some horrifically difficult, painful, complex process. It isn't. You just have to follow a few rules and then 0 out some functions. How can that possibly be harder than learning the concept of differentiation? And its useful too!

Lets say we want to teach someone basic calculus. How much do they need to know? They need to know addition, subtraction, division, multiplication, fractions, exponentiation, roots, algebra, limits, and derivatives. You could teach someone calculus without them knowing what sine and cosine even are. You could probably argue that, with proper teaching, calculus would be about as hard, or maybe a little harder, than trigonometry. Trigonometry, by the way, has an inordinate amount of time spent on it. Just tell kids how right triangles work, sine/cosine/tangent, SOHCAHTOA, a few identities, and your good. You don't need to know scalene and isosceles triangles. Why do we even have special names for them? Who gives a shit if a triangle has sides of the same length? Either its a right triangle and its useful or its not a right triangle and you have to do some crazy sin law shit that usually means your algorithm is just wrong and so the only time you ever actually need to use it you can just look up the formula because it is a obtuse edge case that almost never comes up.

Think about that. We're grading kids by asking them to solve edge cases that never come up in reality and grading how well they are in math based off of that. And then we're confused when they complain about math having no practical application? Well duh. The sheer amount of time spent on useless topics is staggering. Calculus should be taught to high school freshman. Differential equations and complex analysis go to the seniors, and by the time you get into college your looking at combinatorics and vector analysis, not basic calculus.

I have already seen some heavily flawed arguments against this. Some people say that people aren't interested in math, so this will never work. Since I'm saying that teaching kids advanced concepts early on will make them interested in math, this is a circular argument and invalid. Other people claim that the kids will never understand because of some bullshit about needing logical constructs, which just doesn't make sense because you should still introduce the concepts. Introducing a concept early on and having the student be confused about it is a good thing because it means they'll try to work it out over time. The more time you give them, the more likely it will click. Besides, most students aren't understanding algebra with the current system anyway, so I fail to see the point of that argument. It's not working now so don't try to change it or you'll make it worse? That's just pathetic.

TL;DR: Stop teaching kids stupid, pointless math they won't need and maybe they won't rightfully conclude that what they are being taught is useless.

Comments

Cesar 12 years, 6 months ago

I don't know dude, I work as a math tutor for elementary through high school kids and there are several that just don't get math because of the way that it's taught.

See, there are several ways to get to an answer. There are kids who are creative and arrive at an answer through some long and complicated method that makes sense to them. These kids are ALWAYS the ones that get fucked by the education system as they're taught that their method is wrong. They get math and they're good at it, it's just their thought process is different and they're punished for it. That's fucking bullshit, as many a time I've been fucking surprised that the kid got an answer in a very unusual way and I fucking love it.

Then there are kids who just plain don't get math. They don't like it, they're not good at it no matter what method you teach them to arrive at an answer, and they just really don't like it. There really isn't much you can do at that point but try and let them learn, but it's extremely difficult to work with these kids because, honestly, they just don't give a fuck about math.

Honestly? I see kids doing rudimentary algebra at 4th grade already. See, whereas X confuses the fuck out of them, they can do things like "Five times what makes 25?" easily. Why the fuck isn't algebra taught at a much earlier level? I don't have a single clue. Teaching X instead of "what number" would be something that would make a MAJOR difference in how many kids get algebra while still being a relatively minor change.

And I think you're overestimating kids' ability to *get* math. By a lot. While calculus should be mandatory for seniors, it isn't something that we can teach freshmen without a ridiculous overhaul of how math is taught at every single level.

Kenon 12 years, 6 months ago

How can you like Partial Fractions @_@

Alert Games 12 years, 6 months ago

I see you are a math guy.

No but really i completely agree with some points. Im retaking an easy math class for credit (because im lazy) and i will probably have to memorize the trig identities. But i mean, the first time i took it my teacher was good and I aced the whole class.

I agree with your advancing of math, but it depends on the students. Theyre starting in the middle schools around me to go a faster route in math, but they really need to speed it up in elementary even.

But yeah less pointless math and more useful math.

Moikle 12 years, 6 months ago

Quote: RawrSpoon
There are kids who are creative and arrive at an answer through some long and complicated method that makes sense to them. These kids are ALWAYS the ones that get fucked by the education system as they're taught that their method is wrong. They get math and they're good at it, it's just their thought process is different and they're punished for it. That's fucking bullshit, as many a time I've been fucking surprised that the kid got an answer in a very unusual way and I fucking love it.

Heh, I am like that, and I keep getting questions marked wrong in physics even when the answer is correct, but I got to it in a different way.

sirxemic 12 years, 6 months ago

Quote:
I'm saying that teaching kids advanced concepts early on will make them interested in math
Did I just step into a parallel universe!?

Also, about those 'in a different way' solutions being marked wrong, keep in mind that the creative solutions might not be the most efficient. Efficiency is also an important factor.

pounce4evur 12 years, 6 months ago

this blog made me think of these

U.S. educational system

Child Left Behind

Cesar 12 years, 6 months ago

Quote:
Efficiency is also an important factor.
I agree it's pretty important, but the ability to think critically and come up with solutions through your own means using what you know is more important. It's a useful life skill.

And another thing, the current education system also fucks over kids who are visual learners such as my sister. My little sister cannot visualize anything in her head. She gets bored while reading because she just… can't visualize it. She can't create a mental image to go along with what she is reading. This also makes math very difficult for her to learn because it's a lot more difficult explaining what 3^3 means in real-life terms than what 3+3 means. She's just always been that way, and I know there are a lot of kids who struggle with abstract concepts because they just can't visualize it. It's not that they're dumb, they just learn differently.

There's just a huge amount of different ways that kids learn and, as it stands, school is a one-size-fits-all system. Yes, we could be significantly more advanced mathematically and fuck, in every regard but we're stuck with an antiquated education system designed in the early 1900's, back when psychology was still in its infancy.

blackhole 12 years, 6 months ago

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And I think you're overestimating kids' ability to *get* math.

Well, until we actually try and see what happens when we teach algebra as soon as kids can add two numbers together, we can't actually say for sure, can we?

Creative solutions should be supported by explaining to the child why their solution works and identifying parallels to the standard solution.

Also 3^3 is 3*3*3, and 3*3*3 is (3+3+3)+(3+3+3)+(3+3+3).

I am NOT saying that there is a magic way to teach math that makes everyone understand it. The opposite is probably true, but that delves into an overhaul of the entire educational system that goes far beyond the scope of this post. This is just one part of that overhaul, motivated by a lot of people saying some people just don't "get" math, and me insisting that if you taught these people the fundamental concepts of things like algebra and the idea of progressive levels of abstraction from a very early age, they will have longer to grapple with the concepts.

Rob 12 years, 6 months ago

It just made me think of New Math.

It almost seems like you're advocating that kind of teaching. Although I only skimmed through the blog so I could be wrong.