RA - Chiken, noob.

Posted by RhysAndrews on March 15, 2008, 1 a.m.

(read my second part if you like, just go to my user page)

Hi everybody.

I haven't touched 64-Digits in a while, just haven't really bothered. Heck, I still have all the GameCave gear for my avatar / banner etc.

There's not much new… I'm working a little bit GM-wise but not much… just finishing up Conflict: Arcade, planning another project, may also be writing a third GameCave Console (but won't be calling it that).

Some of you might've played Chiken's early *ONLINE* demo of Conflict: Online. I need to assure you that the game won't be going ahead, I'm sorry that Chiken brought your hopes up, if they by any chance did. It was a breach of our agreement for him to release a demo that early or even release info of the project going ahead to anybody outside a small circle. I'm sick of him not listening to me or following simple instructions so I'm just not going to let him continue work on it now. I still don't think he gets the point, he's just too narrow-minded.

He publicly posted this text document as a response to an email I sent him:

http://willhostforfood.com/users/ChIkEn/Lolnoob.txt

In response… The bugginess of the game is still something I stand by but it has nothing to do with whether you are able to continue work on it or not. You STILL BROKE THE AGREEMENT.

The work of the members is protected by the copyright laws of their own country. I've looked at the info for both US and Australian copyright infringement laws, and they both state that as soon as my work becomes material, it is protected. All information for the related laws here: http://www.copyright.org.au/information/specialinterest/faq/G050.pdf

I quote from the aforementioned document:

"A person infringes copyright if they deal with protected material in one of the ways exclusively controlled by the copyright owner( s ) without permission. For computer programs, the uses which require permission include making a reproduction and making an "adaptation" (such as an object code version of a program in source code). If the computer program has been made commercially available, the relevant licensing agreement may set out what permissions the copyright owner has given in relation to the way that program and any accompanying material (Such as text or graphics, including typeface designs) is used."

In other words, although I gave you (informal) permission to make an adaptation, it was through an agreement. If you accuse me that the agreement was not a formal contract, I can just accuse you that the permission was not a formal contract either, which is included in the agreement anyway.

In quote from the US Copyright Office:

"When is my work protected?

Your work is under copyright protection the moment it is created and fixed in a tangible form that it is perceptible either directly or with the aid of a machine or device. "

I also quote from the Conflict: Arcade License:

"Conflict: Arcade and all files in the package are Copyright © 2005-2008 all respected owners. All rights are reserved by Australian Copyright Laws."

"No resources (soundtrack, graphics, concepts, etc) may be used without permission and approval by the resources' respected owners, through contact with Rhys Andrews.

At any point, the respected owners may withdraw a previously made agreement, approval, or permit."

I'm able to bring quotes from the official offices here to support my argument, I'm still waiting for Chiken's reasoning for his statement. I do not need to have filing papers for legal rights to C:A - it is not a registered copyright. It doesn't NEED to be. The name isn't copyrighted, it's the source, the graphics, and so on.

Chiken if you're really confident on your points talk to me privately instead of showing off how much of a dick you really are online. Everybody knows who created this game. You can't seriously call "Grabbing somebody elses game and adding a few bits to it" legal - this stuff is all OVER the GMC and YoYo Games… you can't steal other peoples' work!

Comments

ESA 16 years ago

Who cares about ChIkEn…

And I'm sorry about your game, too.

Cesar 16 years ago

You're making too much of a deal out of this. You're basically saying that a demo of a game that you did not want released which had public appraise is to be shut down for "good". Good of who? You? If everybody liked it, shouldn't it be a motivation boost to make you guys work for the fans?

I'm not saying that it was right for Chiken to go out and release the demo, but it's not right to let down the fans, either. There's also something that Chiken can do by releasing that, making mods. If that was violating copyright laws, Garry's mod would be illegal, which it is not, in fact, it's now supported by Valve.

RhysAndrews 16 years ago

The only reason I'm making a big deal out of this is because I have worked on the game for 3 years and he has really disrespected how much I love the project, by throwing my suggestions in my face. I'm *extremely* offended by the way he has just taken the project as his own and very immaturely attended the issue.

I assure you, this is violating copyright laws - I am entitled to write my own license for my work, which I have done, and he has breached it - now, I do not want him to continue it. It's as simple as that. I'm also a man, and men don't like losing.

-Rhys

Evilish 16 years ago

Quote:
I'm not saying that it was right for Chiken to go out and release the demo, but it's not right to let down the fans, either. There's also something that Chiken can do by releasing that, making mods. If that was violating copyright laws, Garry's mod would be illegal, which it is not, in fact, it's now supported by Valve.

Thats under a separate agreement, where individuals can MODify their own version of the existing material. When distributing a modification the owner isn't required or even allowed to include any of the existing resources created by Valve, etc.

Somebody fed Chiken

Kenon 16 years ago

Go Rhys! Don't let him do that to you!

I would hate if a person did that to me and PLatformed, for instance.

DSG 16 years ago

i hate Chiken =D

RhysAndrews 16 years ago

Evilish is correct - most games have an agreement where MODifications are allowed, or at least, they don't bother taking legal action, even if they are legally able to.

Thanks for your support, guys.

-Rhys

DSG 16 years ago

Really, he's just a prick. So ban me… it needs to be said.

do i smell a lawsuit? =D

DSG 16 years ago

Go Rhys!!

RhysAndrews 16 years ago

It's possible, but it's a lot of effort considering he's in another country…. so it just means it'll cost more solicitor-wise.